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hello

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and welcome to episode number seven of

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the point of convergence podcast

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as always i'm your host exo academian

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dr jacques villa is often considered

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ufology's gold standard

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by bringing the entire scope of human

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history to bear

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he's taken the discussion of the ufo

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phenomenon

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to another level entirely while valet

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began his career

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as a ufo researcher championing the idea

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that these aerial vehicles were

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spacecraft being piloted either by

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beings from another

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non-human civilization or via their

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representative artificial intelligence

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he actually grew to reconsider and doubt

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that hypothesis

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today while he doesn't exclude the idea

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at least some of these uaps represent

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space traveling civilizations

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who originate from some far-flung star

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system within our own physical universe

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he's come to believe based on the

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mountains of data available

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much of which he's personally compiled

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and comb through

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that a much more complex and in his

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words

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interesting explanation is likely this

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more interesting explanation

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involves interdimensional entities and

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intelligences that may have been here

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quote unquote all along popping in and

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and of our own perception and perhaps

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shaping human history

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along the way but how does this

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non-human intelligence do this

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how does it effectively manage human

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they do it via what jock calls a control

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topic of this

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the seventh edition of the point of

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convergence podcast

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but before we get to valet's control

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system hypothesis

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let's talk a little bit about his

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background so we can understand how he

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got to where he is now

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valet's resume is a long and impressive

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one a native of france

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valet was a mathematics student at the

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sorbonne and received a master of

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science degree in

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astrophysics at leel university his

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professional career

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began as an employee at the french space

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committee working at paris observatory

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it was there by the way that his

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interest in ufos began

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but we'll get to that shortly in 1962

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he moved to the u.s and served as an

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astronomer at the university of texas at

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austin

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where he was responsible for

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co-developing the first computer-based

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detailed map of mars for nasa

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from there he moved on to northwestern

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university where he earned a phd in ai

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and began working closely with the

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famous dr j ellen heineck

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the u.s air force's top scientific

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on ufos under project blue book

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valet went on to work for heineck and

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project blue book to create the first

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interactive computer database of ufo

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observations

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in addition to authoring numerous books

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advisor

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during the making of close encounters of

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the third kind and was the inspiration

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for a french ufo investigator in that

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he is currently working on a project to

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analyze ufo materials in a silicon

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a few minutes ago i mentioned that

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jacques villa's interest in ufos began

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during his work

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it turns out that it was something very

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strange and troubling

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that sparked that interest and it made

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jock question the way modern science

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quoting from an interview here jock says

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i've seen things that shouldn't have

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i saw them visually as part of a team

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and that's really what started my

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research obviously i had heard of ufos

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ufo astronomers they would see them

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and tell us but my first job as an

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left me disillusioned i was part of a

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we found ourselves tracking objects that

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one night we got 11 data points on one

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on a magnetic tape and we wanted to run

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the tape through a computer

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and compute an orbit and see the thing

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to this day i can't tell you if it

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wasn't some piece of technology that

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but what intrigued me was that the man

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confiscated the tape and erased it

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that's really what got me started

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because i suddenly realized that

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astronomers saw things that they did not

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report unquote

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the bias and prejudice in mainstream

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science when it comes to this topic

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they look at the scientific

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principles the methodologies and they

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investigators will simply pursue the

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look at the evidence see where it leads

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them without bias without prejudice

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that's certainly the spirit of science

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unfortunately science as it is often

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practiced in the modern world

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doesn't work that way what you can

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as well as a short list of what's

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but i digress let's get back to jacques

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conceptions around the ufo phenomenon

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i want to quote from him here where he

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a yet unrecognized level of

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consciousness independent of man but

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i do not believe anymore that ufos are

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this notion is too simplistic to explain

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book or read an interview with him

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you'll find that he really values

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now he does his homework he makes sure

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that the witnesses are as credible as

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accounts but he considers their

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so how did jacques get to the point

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the extraterrestrial hypothesis too

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evidence especially how the others

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manipulate space-time itself

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and he concluded that they could be from

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anywhere and any time therefore even to

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the point that these distinctions become

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inadequate terms touching on realities

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nevertheless appear based on the

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mounting evidence to be very real

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the bottom line is don't dismiss the

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conceptions based on your language

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everything paranormal they can think of

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absolutely but nevertheless what we've

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has some interesting overlaps some

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this can help us understand this is why

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it's important not to throw the baby out

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so to speak now we've touched on how

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the manipulation of space-time directly

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uh thinking but there is also the issue

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and subsequently turned the ufology

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by suggesting that the phenomenon has

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while some of the surface facade changes

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over time

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to accommodate and perhaps lead our

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culture

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the underlying source or cause is the

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same

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and i quote the symbolic display seen by

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the abductees

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is identical to the type of initiation

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ritual

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or astral voyage that is embedded in the

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occult traditions of

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every culture this structure of

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abduction stories is identical to that

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of occult

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initiation rituals the ufo beings of

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today

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belong to the same class of

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manifestation as the occult entities

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that were described in centuries past

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what jacques is pointing to here is that

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beyond the facade beyond the surface

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structure

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some of the underlying elements are

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remarkably similar across

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time going back into distant human

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history

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when you compare it with the ufo

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phenomenon of today

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and this means perhaps that historical

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events that were looked at in one

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light perhaps should be reconsidered

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for instance jacques talks about the

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event at fatima

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the famous one and he says quote

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perhaps the witnesses are getting used

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to this phenomenon and are starting to

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read things into it

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but that's not the only explanation it

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may be that the phenomenon itself

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is using our reactions to it in order to

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turn into something that we expect

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or understand we may be carrying a

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matrix of imagery

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that it somehow picks up a good example

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of that is fatima the apparitions

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witnessed at fatima

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did not start in 1917. they started two

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years before that

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some of the same kids were involved and

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there were also

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other witnesses what they saw was a

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globe of

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with some type of being inside

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then they started calling the being an

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angel

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with them and gave them a prayer

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it develops in stages and culminated in

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1917

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but even then the virgin mary wasn't

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seen by everyone who was present

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unquote now that is very fascinating

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because what jacques is pointing to is

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that in this very same event

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we see the manifestation change evolve

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over time

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and as he postulates was it in reaction

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to the people that were there

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did the manifestation lead them into

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seeing it a certain way experiencing a

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certain way

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or did it somehow interact with their

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beliefs their expectations their

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assumptions

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in order to feed them something they

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could comprehend

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again fascinating to consider

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what we sometimes forget overlook or

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don't account for with these kind of

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historical incidents

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is where they take place and the

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underlying assumptions

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expectations of that culture now what

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happened at

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fatima was an area of the world that was

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extremely catholic that was the

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worldview the dominant worldview it

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wasn't even really questioned

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and so it's not surprising that when an

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event like this occurs

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it's going to be interpreted in light of

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that world view

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and this comes back to what i often say

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which is that every event

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now we should remember that jacques is

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first and foremost a scientist

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he sees the phenomenon as a fascinating

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opportunity

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for scientists to do some great science

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and from his point of view we should

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study the phenomenon on three different

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levels

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the physical the psychological and the

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sociological

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the latter of those three has a lot to

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do with the control system hypothesis

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that jock proposes but we'll get there

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first off let's address the abstrudity

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element

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if you've read any number of witness

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contact d

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abductee uh testimonies you'll see that

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often there's a level of absurdity

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not always but quite often

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it offends many people's sense of what

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is

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common sense and in many ways it doesn't

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seem plausible to people

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but from jacques point of view absurdity

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isn't necessarily

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what you think it is and it might have

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meaning beyond what you initially

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consider

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he says quote absurdity doesn't mean

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meaningless

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the absurd is a signal that has a

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property of taking you out of your

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normal thinking process

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and making you aware of other forms of

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thinking that you didn't know

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existed it's forcing you to perceive

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reality at a different level

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xencons for example are absurd

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but they are intended to be absurd in a

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way that stops

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your normal thinking process they make

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you aware of your mental process

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itself by stopping it

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now what jacques is pointing to here is

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the subversive nature of the phenomenon

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in terms of its interactions with

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humankind

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perhaps here we are again on the

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territory of the subconscious

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an area of the human mind that we don't

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fully understand

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but that we have some idea perhaps plays

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an immense role in our ultimate behavior

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both as individuals and as a collective

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and with that backdrop set we're now

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ready to address

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and interact with jacques control system

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hypothesis

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he writes quote i believe that when we

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speak of ufo sightings

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as instances of space visitations we are

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looking at the phenomenon

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at the wrong level we are not dealing

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with successive waves of visitations

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from space

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we are dealing with a control system the

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thermostats that regulate your house

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temperature

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summer and winter constitute a control

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system

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in summer a thermostat allows the air to

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get warmer

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until a certain limit is reached and

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then the cooling system is triggered but

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in winter when the outside atmosphere

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turns cold

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and temperature drops below another

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limit then a different mechanism

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the heater comes into play and warms the

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house

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and jacques continues to understand the

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whole phenomenon

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one needs a grasp of the control concept

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and one must be ready to understand that

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it needs

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two opposite principles for its function

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i propose the hypothesis that there is a

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control system for human consciousness

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i have not determined whether it is

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natural or spontaneous

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whether it is explainable in terms of

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genetics of social psychology

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or of ordinary phenomena or if it is

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artificial in nature

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and under the power of some superhuman

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will it may be entirely determined by

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and that's jacques control system

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hypothesis

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in a nutshell now some people have found

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his analogy of the thermostat

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hot and cold a little obtuse a little

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difficult to wrap their heads around

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but what he's basically saying is the

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entire boundaries of human development

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are under control that no matter what

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happens

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no matter what we do ultimately our

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evolution

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is managed by the system that has

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boundaries

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now perhaps a more modern example that

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people can wrap their heads around

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easily

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uh is the premise of the movie the

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truman show

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the whole point in that movie is that

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this character is

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living his life thinking he has free

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will and to some degree he does within a

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certain range

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but overall the entire environment the

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entire scenario

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but how does this control system work

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this particular control system where the

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aim is to control

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manage evolve human consciousness

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well here jacques brings up the work of

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b.f skinner who was a psychologist

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who defined what are called schedules of

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reinforcement

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bf skinner's specialty was in actually

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changing behavior over the long term

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and in reference to that i quote from

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jacques again quote

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if the training is too even and

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monotonous the subject may stop in its

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development

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or even return to an earlier state the

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schedule of reinforcement

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is one that combines periodicity

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with unpredictability learning is then

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slow

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but continuous it leads to the highest

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level of adaptation

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and it is irreversible it is interesting

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to ask whether the pattern of ufo waves

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does not have the same effect as a

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schedule of reinforcement

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so this is what jock is considering

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proposing

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the idea that the phenomenon manifests

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in different ways

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over time opportunely based on a control

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system

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that defines boundaries so that it can

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control and manage and evolve

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human consciousness now interestingly

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jacques also considers this control

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system perhaps

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hackable at least he'd like to find out

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if it's hackable

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but how would you do that i mean this

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almost sounds like the matrix

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in terms of how jacques is describing

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this control system

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but how would it be hackable well he

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writes

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there are ways to gain access to the

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reference level of every control

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system i know even a child if smart or

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daring enough

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can climb on a chair change the dial of

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a thermostat and elicit a response

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it must be possible to gain access to

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the control

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of the ufo phenomenon to forget the

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spirits and the pranks of rhombus 4d

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and do some real science but it will

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take a very smart approach

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or a very daring one

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to use another more modern metaphor it

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almost sounds like jacques wants to be

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the person

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to go behind the curtain and meet the

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wizard himself

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indeed using the analogy of a movie

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theater this time

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jacques writes instead of looking at the

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screen what i want to do is turn around

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and look the other way when we look the

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other way

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what we see is a little hole at the top

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of the wall with some light coming out

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that's where i want to go i want to

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steal the key to the projectionist booth

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and then when everybody has gone home i

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want to break in

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so what do you think about this control

584
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system hypothesis that jacques proposes

585
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does it hold muster for you for me i

586
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think it has a fair amount of merit

587
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i think there is evidence that over time

588
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the manifestations

589
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associated with the phenomenon seem like

590
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boundaries within a control system which

591
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are subversively but inevitably

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leading to human evolution

593
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for instance you could argue that there

594
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seems to be scheduled reinforcement

595
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going on

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when it comes to our technology and

597
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perhaps

598
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the lack of consciousness with which we

599
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use that technology

600
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sightings over our nuclear facilities

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and the manipulation

602
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of our launch mechanisms may be intended

603
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i personally think there is good reason

604
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to believe that there are very good

605
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reasons

606
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why the others are only slowly prepping

607
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us for evolutionary advancement

608
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i also hold it quite possible perhaps

609
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even likely

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that our dance with species and

611
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planetary death

612
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has sped up the timetable so to speak or

613
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perhaps that

614
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is another example of hitting the

615
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boundary of the control system

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which prompts a response

617
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now when we step back for a moment and

618
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look at the history of

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the evolution of human consciousness

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what do we see

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i would argue that history even

622
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cross-cultural history

623
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shows that evolution leads us inevitably

624
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towards

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ever-expanding circles of inclusion

626
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whether we're discussing

627
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civil rights women's rights broader

628
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human rights

629
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animal rights even recent concerns about

630
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how we may have contaminated the moon

631
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with bacteria we brought there this

632
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trend leads

633
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inevitably towards oneness consciousness

634
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i believe even while there are hills

635
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valleys and detours in that path

636
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it is still inevitable to those of us

637
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who see this

638
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it is basically self-evident i've held

639
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that view for a long time

640
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based on the evidence not on wishful

641
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thinking and beyond the scope of the

642
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alien slash ufo conversation

643
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now again that trend towards oneness

644
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consciousness

645
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is only inevitable provided that we

646
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don't blow ourselves up

647
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or completely collapse the biosphere of

648
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the planet along the way

649
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and again from my point of view that may

650
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be where the control system is coming in

651
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and on that note we've come to the close

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of another edition

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of the point of convergence podcast as

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always i hope you've enjoyed what you've

655
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heard

656
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and i hope your imagination has been

657
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inspired by today's discussion

658
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let's keep the conversation going and

659
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let's keep the conversation growing

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if you know people you think would be

661
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:42,880
interested in these topics

662
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ufos the phenomenon remote viewing

663
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near-death experiences

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human consciousness and the ultimate

665
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fabric of reality

666
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then please spread the word

667
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but for now from deep in the blue ridge